ARE PEOPLE SERIOUSLY PULLING THE “OH HERE WE GO AGAIN ATTRACTIVE BLONDE WHITE PROTAGONISTS IN A DISNEY MOVIE” CARD
FROZEN IS BASED ON THE SNOW QUEEN, A STORY WHICH ORIGINATES FROM SCANDINAVIA
NATIVE SCANDINAVIAN PEOPLE ARE WHITE AND BLONDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DO NOT DRAG YOUR SOCIAL JUSTICE BULLSHIT INTO MY DISNEY
bless
OP you didn’t even try, did you
The hell i won’t.
It’s not “”“”“social justice bullshit”“”“. I’m sorry that you’re content, because it’s, as you say, your Disney under fire here, to completely ignore the racial backtracking by the company.
I’m sorry that you’re comfortable believing that a story in which a woman fucking controls snow and there is a talking snowman is no place for anyone who isn’t white. That kind of antiquated thinking? It’s dangerous. It’s dangerous and pervasive and it’s used as justification for the continuous exclusion of POC characters and non-Eurocentric locations from such famous, untouchable paragons of film as Disney. It’s what keeps people from feeling bad when they make movie after movie of the same lily-sienna heroes and heroines.
The world isn’t all white.
Maybe, just maybe, that kind of thinking was acceptable in the 50s, when Walt was still around. Nowadays, are you fucking kidding me?
Fairy tales and fables, while they may have particularly well known retellings, all have common roots. There are multiple versions of similar tales from all around the world, ranging from ones like Cinderella to Beauty and the Beast. The Snow Queen may be “Scandinavian”, but it wouldn’t be hard to find one from a different culture with similar threads. How great would an Inuit version of the tale be?
You can count the number of POC princesses on one hand. That’s about a third.
One third.
I (and apparently, not a lot of people) am saying “here we go again” with Anna because it’s tired. She doesn’t look new. We have blonde, white, blue eyed princesses. What will her story bring to the table?
What about the little girls who are going to watch this movie and feel wrong about themselves because no one looks like them? What about the girls who still don’t have anyone who looks like them?
Culture reflects society. These films reflect how people think.
And what people are thinking is that white is the default. Blonde is the default.
And I’m sick of people standing for that shit.
Fuck you and goodnight :)
^^^ why bella is infinitely better than all ~8000 of the fuckers who agreed with op
These are screencaps from the 1957 Soviet film by Lev Atamanov found at Animation Treasures. This is, with the exception of taking out the demon, pretty much a word for word retelling of the original Snow Queen fairytale. There’s a lot of room in this fairytale for diversity if you try as show from version that didn’t really try at all.
I’ll just add, for the third time, how disheartening it is that Disney is going out of its way to make this story about a white dude. It’s not that this story isn’t diverse and they’re being too lazy to change it. They are actively changing the story and erasing characters to center it around a white guy and his cute male animal sidekicks. And that’s sad.
They are actively changing the story and erasing characters to center it around a white guy and his cute male animal sidekicks. And that’s sad.
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This makes me very sad and angry…
I believe this has a place on this blog.
This made me cry…
Oh hey, angry lump in my throat. Welcome back. Huh? Nope, you haven’t missed much. People are still awful.
In which I talk about something that’s been weighing on my mind a lot recently. How many heroes do our girls have to look forward to for the upcoming duration of their childhoods?
[this is a cc of something I posted in my LJ in December]
Regular conversation at film school:
“Girls have plenty of protagonists! Look at Belle! Look at Mulan!”
“Those were 20 and 12 years ago, respectively.”
“But-!”
“No. Stop. Name Five animated movies in the last ten years that had a female protagonist.”
They never could. And some people still protested, but in the two classes where this ended up happening, I saw lights go on behind people’s eyes. Oh my God. She’s right. Those girl heroes I love were from my childhood. What about the kids today?
And since then, I’ve been thinking about it. And so I made a list.
I grabbed lists of all the animated Disney, Pixar and Dreamworks films from 2000 to today. This, of course, does not encompass all animated movies (Hi, Japan!) or even all western animated movies (hello, Coraline and Monster House), but they were the easiest to track down and list, and the easiest to organise. So let’s look at some graphs and see the results!
GRAPHS TAKEN FROM THEATRICALLY RELEASED ANIMATED MOVIES FROM DREAMWORKS, PIXAR AND DISNEY.
TOTAL PERCENTAGE OF ANIMATED FILM PROTAGONISTS FROM 2000-2010 ORGANISED BY GENDER (15% girls, 85% boys)
NUMBER OF FILMS BY YEAR, ORGANISED BY GENDER OF PROTAGONIST
Girls were the lead of, in total, 6 movies. Boy were the lead of 32.
In the years 2001, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008 there were exactly zero new animated movies from any of these studios with a female protagonist.
There was not a year from 2000 to 2010 where a boy didn’t feature in a leading role in a theatrically released animated film.
For those who are curious, announced movies from these three studios to potentially be released in the years 2011 to 2013 include 13 films with a male protagonist, and 1 film with a female protagonist.
This is what that looks like as a chart.
In case you’re wondering about next year, in 2011 there are no planned animated films with female protagonists from any of these companies (but there will be four more movies about boys).
It gets even worse if you try to look at films that go beyond 2013. From all three of these companies, Pixar’s upcoming Brave was the only planned animated movie I could find with a female protagonist.
I feel a need to remind everyone at this point that half or slightly more of our children are little girls.
I used to be a little girl. My niece is a little girl. And this is what she has to look forward to. One more movie.
This is why, despite believing that we can do way better for our kids than princess movies, I was gutted to hear that Disney isn’t going to make any more of them. Because, princess movies can be awful and anti-feminist dreck, but look at those charts; They’re also all we’ve got. I would be more than fine with Disney giving up on princesses if I saw any sign at all that they had come up with new stories with girls in the lead to replace them. But that’s not what I’m seeing. And in light of that, I feel inclined to take “We’re giving up on princesses” to mean “We’re giving up on girls”.
And the complete lists of movies that I used.
Theatrically Releases Western Animated Movies Since the Year 2000
GIRL PROTAGONIST Chicken Run – June 2000 Lilo and Stitch – June 2002 Home on the Range – April 2004 Monsters vs. Aliens – March 2009 Princess and the Frog – December 2009 Tangled – November 2010
BOY PROTAGONIST The Road to El Dorado – March 2000 Dinosaur – May 2000 The Emperor’s New Groove – December 2000 Shrek – May 2001 Atlantis: The Lost Empire – June 2001 Monster’s Inc. – November 2001 Spirit: Stallion of the Cimmaron - May 2002 Finding Nemo – May 2003 Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas – June 2003 Brother Bear – November 2003 Shrek 2 – May 2004 Shark Tale – October 2004 The Incredibles – November 2004 Madagascar – May 2005 Wallace and Gromit – October 2005 Chicken Little – November 2005 Over the Hedge – May 2006 Cars – June 2006 Flushed Away – November 2006 Meet the Robinsons – March 2007 Shrek the Third – May 2007 Ratatouille – June 2007 Bee Movie – November 2007 King Fu Panda – June 2008 WALL-E – June 2008 Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa – November 2008 Bolt – November 2008 Up – May 2009 How To Train Your Dragon – March 2010 Shrek Forever After – May 2010 Toy Story 3 – June 2010 Megamind – November 2010
UPCOMING MOVIES
GIRL PROTAGONISTS Brave – 2012
BOY PROTAGONISTS Kung Fu Panda 2 – 2011 Winnie the Pooh – 2011 Puss in Boots – 2011 Cars 2 – 2011 The Croods – 2012 Madagascar 3 – 2012 The Guardians of Childhood – 2012 Monsters Inc 2 – 2012 King of the Elves – 2012 Reboot Ralph – 2013 Me and My Shadow – 2013 How to Train Your Dragon 2 – 2013 Pig Scrolls – 2013
These are the graphs I made a year ago that led me to the things I’ve researched since that led me to start the video blog in the first place.
This is what the first vlog will be talking about, so I’m reblogging these here.
This is the marketing of the Sailor Moon that I grew up with. Aside from the occasional “This one goes out to the ladies”, there’s very little to indicate here that they were marketing it as a “girls’ show” or that they felt they needed to make it extra pink and cute and young, naive, childish, fluffy, or clean in order to appeal to girls.
They advertised violence and battles and people fighting. And fully expected young girls to watch.
And girls flocked to it. Along with a whole lot of boys, too.
Now, I’m super duper glad that Sailor Moon is coming back to the states. I love that we’re getting new merchandise, and that there’s rereleased manga (that I rushed out to buy the day it was released) and all that.
I’m really glad.
But if there’s anything this current franchise reboot is telling me, it’s that the people in charge don’t get it. They don’t understand what made Sailor Moon so popular in the first place.
The old American logo was blue and white and yellow and had a bold blocky font. The new logo is pastel yellow and pink and has a curly almost-cursive font.
The new playing cards are pink, the old were white. The new wallscrolls either feature all the girls looking ahead and smiling, or are covered in pink and lace graphics.
I love pink, I love lace. I don’t think pink and lace should undo the badassness of things, and if you think that stereotypical femininity and hardcore asskicking cannot exist together than… well… you’re wrong.
But look at the Sailor Moon that was advertised to us as kids. It wasn’t advertised to us as being some hyper-feminine just-for-girls cute! and precious! cuddly story.
It was advertised as what it is, which it should aspire to be, a story of soldiers and heroism and butt-kicking bravery that happens to feature girls as its protagonists.
Something about this reboot merch is just too focused on the “ITS FER GIRLZ” aspect of the story to me. Especially seeing (as many men have pointed out) that none of the new t-shirts come in men’s sizes, and the shirt of Tuxedo Mask makes it seem like he’s the one who does all the saving. And the merchandise is more pink than any of the stickers or posters or RPG game cards I collected when I was youngtser.
The old Sailor Moon was marketed as something that everyone could like, and was marketed to girls in such a way that said “Just because you’re a girl doesn’t mean you have to like pink and never get dirty (though if you want to, that’s okay too).”
And now it’s being marketed as “NOSTALGIA FOR GIRLS. ONLY PINK AND ONLY WOMEN’S SIZES.”
And it just kind of makes me sad.
I may be completely wrong here, though.
Great argument although I have to ask my bestie about this one. She’s the expert in SM. From my own experience beyond Toonami (I used to hunt for merchandise and collectables during the 90s) it was a very “girly” show. I’m not saying it couldn’t have a diverse fanbase but the original tone of the show was very much satin, lace, and bows. I think that factor was cut back a bit in translation so it came off more universally appealing in the states. It probably helped that when Toonami came on it was pretty par for the course to just watch it straight through. Even if one of the shows wasn’t something you’d normally watch. Thus the male fanbase grew much more than it might have otherwise.
I also think that something being feminine has a slightly different affect on the audiences. I don’t know for sure but it seems that something being seen as female oriented in japan doesn’t have as much of an affect on who actually watches the show. In america, it’s all about gender. I’m only saying that based on my own experiences so I could be totally wrong but this argument still stands. It would be nice to see SM marketed universally instead of to “little girls”. To be honest I think a lot of the plot (depending on editing) is lost on children anyway. This seems like a classic case of assuming a cartoon is for children. That rarely seems to be the case with anime. At least the stuff that’s brought over to america. Can’t speak for all of it.
Oh, there was absolutely a lot “girly” marketing happening in the 90s. I don’t mean to suggest that back then it was some utopia of gender-diverse marketing. It wasn’t. It just feels like now is a little bit less diverse in marketing than then, but that might just be me getting older.
And the marketing originally in Japan was definitely more lace-and-bows than in America. But honestly, of all the awful, rantworthy changes made to the North American dub, the change in the marketing and framing of the show to be more broad and inclusive is possibly the only one that I approve of.
Which isn’t to suggest that I think… God, how do I put this?
I love Sailor Moon so much. I have a Sailor Moon tattoo planned for the day when I’m eventually financially stable enough (lol will never happen) to get a tattoo without having to worry about it. I bought two of the new t-shirts and have one old t-shirt from before (that’s rags by now, but still). I have almost the whole collection of the original American manga release. I have the whole series on DVD. I’ve watched and read through the whole thing so many times. Plus having watched PGSM and the stage musicals.
And one of the things I daydream about sometimes is a complete remake of the anime, one that is a more loyal adaptation of the manga.
And one of the things I fear is a complete remake of the anime.
Because I worry it’d either go in a “moe” direction, cutesying everything up and being Sailor Moon, the Hello Kitty edition. Because, as this franchise reboot would suggest, these days everyone remembers it as that girls’ show.
Or it’d go in a “Let’s start taking this seriously!” edition, where “taking this seriously” is mistaken for “making it masculine, because nothing feminine can ever be serious”.
What made Sailor Moon, both in Japan and America, so groundbreaking and interesting when it happened was twofold:
1) It was, formulaically and by design, a shounen format. It followed the sentai formulas (especially the anime) and the manga followed far more shounen patterns than shoujo ones. This was intentional. Super Sentai shows (e.g., Power Rangers) were making a lot of money. They wanted to see if they could make more of that money from girls. So they intentionally took a previously entirely boy-marketed and masculine format, and left it almost entirely intact and put girls in the leads.
2) The leader was The Chick. In a normal five-man-band scenario, her girlishness and peppy, clumsy, occasional shallowness would have been enough to invalidate her ability. She would have been the one girl, possibly the weakest member of the group, and would have been there only because they felt like they needed a chick.
But in Sailor Moon, Usagi/Serena is the leader. She’s the strongest of all of them. Her hyper-feminine aspects do nothing to invalidate her strength.
Simultaneously, there’s 9 other girls fighting too, filling all the other “five-man-band” roles plus. So the spectrum of femininity represented and validated is broadened until the show is saying, essentially, “there’s no wrong way to be a girl”. Combine that with gender-diverse marketing, and the show then also says “it’s okay to look up to girls” to both little girls and little boys.
Sailor Moon was definitely marketed a bit older in Japan than the US, but not that much older. Fans sometimes, thinking it’s somehow shameful to like something marketed to kids, play up and exaggerate the difference. But it was definitely for kids in Japan as well.
I guess what I’m saying about the reboot that’s disappointing to me is that Sailor Moon is perfectly situated as a story and as a franchise to be something more inclusive and thoughtful and fun and enlightening without ever being preachy. It once came close to fulfilling that promise. And I feel like narrowing a franchise reboot instead of broadening it is such a lost opportunity.
I just rambled for a really long time. IDK why I did that.
Oh, wait. I do. I just really really love Sailor Moon lol.
I also love your blog. Thanks for the reblog!
(((And sorry if this sounded like an argument against you, because I think we actually agree? [correct me if I’m wrong, XD]. I meant it as an addition/continuation, lol.)))
This is the marketing of the Sailor Moon that I grew up with. Aside from the occasional “This one goes out to the ladies”, there’s very little to indicate here that they were marketing it as a “girls’ show” or that they felt they needed to make it extra pink and cute and young, naive, childish, fluffy, or clean in order to appeal to girls.
They advertised violence and battles and people fighting. And fully expected young girls to watch.
And girls flocked to it. Along with a whole lot of boys, too.
Now, I’m super duper glad that Sailor Moon is coming back to the states. I love that we’re getting new merchandise, and that there’s rereleased manga (that I rushed out to buy the day it was released) and all that.
I’m really glad.
But if there’s anything this current franchise reboot is telling me, it’s that the people in charge don’t get it. They don’t understand what made Sailor Moon so popular in the first place.
The old American logo was blue and white and yellow and had a bold blocky font. The new logo is pastel yellow and pink and has a curly almost-cursive font.
The new playing cards are pink, the old were white. The new wallscrolls either feature all the girls looking ahead and smiling, or are covered in pink and lace graphics.
I love pink, I love lace. I don’t think pink and lace should undo the badassness of things, and if you think that stereotypical femininity and hardcore asskicking cannot exist together than… well… you’re wrong.
But look at the Sailor Moon that was advertised to us as kids. It wasn’t advertised to us as being some hyper-feminine just-for-girls cute! and precious! cuddly story.
It was advertised as what it is, which it should aspire to be, a story of soldiers and heroism and butt-kicking bravery that happens to feature girls as its protagonists.
Something about this reboot merch is just too focused on the “ITS FER GIRLZ” aspect of the story to me. Especially seeing (as many men have pointed out) that none of the new t-shirts come in men’s sizes, and the shirt of Tuxedo Mask makes it seem like he’s the one who does all the saving. And the merchandise is more pink than any of the stickers or posters or RPG game cards I collected when I was youngtser.
The old Sailor Moon was marketed as something that everyone could like, and was marketed to girls in such a way that said “Just because you’re a girl doesn’t mean you have to like pink and never get dirty (though if you want to, that’s okay too).”
And now it’s being marketed as “NOSTALGIA FOR GIRLS. ONLY PINK AND ONLY WOMEN’S SIZES.”